RoF - Breeding Grounds - Velishan's Revenge

[Furro]

Breeding Grounds - Velishan's Revenge

Zone & Instance Info
 
Gather Zone: Breeding Grounds

NPC Name: Witherweaver
NPC Location: North side of the treasure pillar in the "fear" part of the zone (northern-most area of the zone, loc: 1500, 130, -34).

Keyword to Enter: Willing


Flag & Key Requirements
 

Zone Flag:		None
Event Key:		None
Group Mission:		None
Event Flags:		High Priest Syltetzalvek (Shard's Landing raid)
		Danela's Stand (Crystal Caverns raid)
		The Madness of King Tormax (Kael Drakkel raid)
		Zeixshi-Kar's Shard" (Zeixshi-Kar's Awakening raid)

 

* Minimum to be Piggy/85'/pushed into raid: Nothing required.



Brief Event Overview & Strategy

* Mandatory Audio/Text GTT Trigger information is available in the GTT section further down in this post.
 
Velishan changes forms.  Each form represents an element (Magic, Disease, Fire, Ice, Stone).  Each has an associated AE.

Each element provides immunity to Velishan, but at the same time she becomes VULNERABLE to another element.

Velishans form changes based on how MUCH VULNERABLE DAMAGE is done to her.

Too  much of an immune damage will cause Velishan to power up (100k per hit).

Velishan will power up the longer we take to defeat her.

Warning:  Do not dispell Veliash.  Certain debuff lines reduce resists and/or have stacking conflicts that will prevent her Scales of X buff from landing resulting in her powering up with 100k hits.  Covering a few areas to watch below, please note/test/report any others and we'll adjust going forward.

ENCHANTERS: Do not use Arcane Disjunction Aura.  Stacking conflicts with Scales of Magic (on Dragon), resulting in Velishan to power up (100k hits)

WIZARDS:  Do not use Arcomancy.  The magic debuff portion has stacking conflicts with Scales of Magic (on Dragon).  Scales not landing causes Velishan to power up (100k hits)

DRUIDS: Your Summers line (Fire/Ice), have a PRISMATIC CHECK as well, and this will cause immunity failures during MAGIC forms.

MELEE: Watch your PROC AUGS.  Certain types of damage will work against us

CASTERS: Watch your SYMPATHETIC PROC AUGS.  Ie, Disease proc will work against us during Scales of Disease form.

Please watch /rs for element vulnerabilities please.  React to MA calls as request.

Any questions, please ask in the FLRaids:raids channnel.  Thanks

 
FORM IMMUNITY TO VULNERABLE ASSOCIATIONS
 

COLOR	IMMUNE	VULNERABLE
Black?	Magic	Disease
unknown	Disease	Magic
Red	Ice	Fire
Green	Fire	Ice
Bronze?	Stone (melee)	Spell vulnerable

FORM AEs
 

MAGIC	Terror Fear (single-target).  Paladin splashes please.  Also posisbly stuns during this form.
(black color)	Stun: Stun (single-target).
DISEASE	Putrid Breath: VIRAL 38k DoT + 3k ENDURANCE DRAIN (80 disease counters cures, 10 RNG Targets, 50' range viral spread)
	Vile Plague: VIRAL 47k DoT (80 disease counters cures, 10 RNG Targets, 50' range viral spread)
ICE	Frost Shock: 59k DD + STUN (Targeted AE)
FIRE	Flame Lick: 55k AE DD + 8k MANA DRAIN.
	Lava Blast: 61k (Targeted AE, 80')
STONE	Unknown

Text / Audio Triggers - Mandatory

ALL Mandatory Setup

GTT All in one puppy: bg-velishan-vulns.gtt

Audio Files: None, text to speech GTT feature used instead.



Paladins, Clerics, Druids, Shaman

Healers download the viral triggers please in addition to the above set.

When trigger fires:

Healers use: RC AA, Group Heal/Cures.  It'll take two casts at least.

Paladins: Splash and group heal to top off and help augment the curing for healers.

04-21-2013 Viral GTT Updated Set: bg-velishan-virals.gtt (for Paladin, Clerics, Druids, Shaman)
 

[Maglor]

Far as I am concerned, all you need is to know the colors of Velishan and what they mean.  Know that, Velishan is easy.

[Furro]

Far as I am concerned, all you need is to know the colors of Velishan and what they mean.  Know that, Velishan is easy.

The colors seem obvious so far.  The triggers are additional help to focus the raid on the proper vulnerable element.

Overall, we won on the first attempt.  But I can easily see it powering up if we're distracted eating pie for example. 

[Furro]

Velishan Colors to Vulnerabilities

Based on attempts last night.  Here's the colors so far.  Once we get used to the colors it'll become second nature.

COLOR	IMMUNE	VULNERABLE
Black?	Magic	Disease
unknown	Disease	Magic
Red	Ice	Fire
Green	Fire	Ice
Bronze?	Stone (melee)	Spell vulnerable

 
Trigger Changes & Fixes

* DELETE YOUR OLD VELISHAN TRIGGERS BEFORE IMPORTING THIS NEW SET

New & Fixed Trigger Set: bg-velishan-vulns.gtt
             

Additional Adjusts

• Prepped delegated /rs callers for damage types: Rnani, Feroxide
• Keep Velishan away from edges to prevent knockback off into lava and death
• Watch /rs calls please and react to trigger alerts if/when they fire for improper damage type

[Furro]

 
Event Adjusts

Needling through the logs on this last night, I believe we're focusing too much effort on what NOT to do.

What I want everyone to focus on is the VULNERABLE Damage.  If you cannot do the vulnerable damage, don't worry about it, just keep doing what you're doing and only stop if your trigger fires telling you to do so.

I believe by reducing our duration in any given color; we'll reduce the culmination of AE's that is happening.  Everyone remember last night with the fear and how it was steadily increasing the longer we remained in magic.   Stop that from happening by making it change color by applying the vulnerable damage.

PS:  I do not see any reference in the logs to Velishans enrage emote, which is the indicator that we've done too many wrong things.  This is why I believe it was our timid approach after a few wipes that has lead to the AE's eventually overwhelming us. 


Viral Trigger Addition

Also need everyone to add the following two triggers to reduce the viral spreading and damage we're taking.

bg-velishan-virals.gtt

When the trigger fires, RUN AWAY, or you'll infect others.

Velishan targets several people each time.

[Furro]

 
Event Adjusts

Needling through the logs on this last night, I believe we're focusing too much effort on what NOT to do.

What I want everyone to focus on is the VULNERABLE Damage.  If you cannot do the vulnerable damage, don't worry about it, just keep doing what you're doing and only stop if your trigger fires telling you to do so.

I believe by reducing our duration in any given color; we'll reduce the culmination of AE's that is happening.  Everyone remember last night with the fear and how it was steadily increasing the longer we remained in magic.   Stop that from happening by making it change color by applying the vulnerable damage.

PS:  I do not see any reference in the logs to Velishans enrage emote, which is the indicator that we've done too many wrong things.  This is why I believe it was our timid approach after a few wipes that has lead to the AE's eventually overwhelming us. 

Tested this theory during the early afternoon FL Bonus Raid, Sunday April 21.  Productive results.   We're on the right track.  Just shy of a few bodies to pull through a win.  Wiped at 60% with 35 in raid.

The extra bodies would increase our vulnerable damage, and cause faster form changes.  In addition, we'd round out healing and auxiliary healing support.

Thanks everyone who was able to attend and provide support to work on this event on an off day. 

Viral Trigger Addition

Also need everyone to add the following two triggers to reduce the viral spreading and damage we're taking.

bg-velishan-virals.gtt

When the trigger fires, RUN AWAY, or you'll infect others.

Velishan targets several people each time.

* DELETE THE FOLLOWING TWO VIRALS, before importing the new viral set.

Putrid poison flows through your body.
You feel violently ill.

Changes: DO NOT RUN AWAY.  Trigs only used for healer types as explained below.


Paladins, Clerics, Druids, Shaman

Healers download the viral triggers please.

When trigger fires:

Healers use: RC AA, Group Heal/Cures.  It'll take two casts at least.

Paladins: Splash and group heal to top off and help augment the curing for healers.

04-21-2013 Viral GTT Updated Set: bg-velishan-virals.gtt (for Paladin, Clerics, Druids, Shaman)
 

[Furro]

 
Ok, this is really bugging me..

Mistatk sent tell earlier giving me a heads up on the SoE forums, that another team has had the same issues we've experienced with the Frost Shock AE for this event.

The original poster questioned if anything had changed since patch perhaps...

This is something that didn't occur to me, but digging through the spell changes, it does appear that Frost Shock has been changed since patch!  <shakes fists!>

So.. I've posted in the related SoE thread, and PM'd Jchan in the hopes for a reply whether or not this was an intended change.


Below is my related post in the SoE thread on this topic:


Frost Shock has changed since patch:

2013-04-15 23:23Changed Range from 1000 to 0
2013-04-15 23:23Changed Target Type from Targeted AE to PB AE
2013-04-15 23:23Changed AE Range from 0 to 1000
2013-03-12 17:29Changed Environment from -1 to 0
2012-11-23 22:18Initial Entry

Context:

Prior to 04-17-2013 patch, we went into the event for the first time, won on the first attempt. We handled the Frost Shock AE in its state prior to patch changes:

[Fri Apr 12 21:20:16 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Fri Apr 12 21:20:41 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Fri Apr 12 21:21:31 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:21:31 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:21:31 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Fri Apr 12 21:22:46 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:22:46 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:22:46 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:22:46 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:22:46 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Fri Apr 12 21:24:01 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:24:01 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:24:01 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:24:01 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:24:01 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:24:01 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:24:01 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Fri Apr 12 21:25:16 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:25:16 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:25:16 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:25:16 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:25:16 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:25:16 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:25:16 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:25:16 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:25:16 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Fri Apr 12 21:26:06 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:06 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:06 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:06 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:06 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:06 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:06 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:06 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:06 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:06 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:06 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Fri Apr 12 21:26:31 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:31 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:31 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:31 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:31 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:31 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:31 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:31 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:31 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:31 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Fri Apr 12 21:26:31 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>


Note: We won this, without issue. In fact, I don't even think we had a death...

Now fast forward this weeks raids.. Below are all raid wipes on the very same spell, in POST patch state.


Friday, April 19/20, 2013: Overtime night, tail end closer

Attempt 1:

[Sat Apr 20 01:23:07 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sat Apr 20 01:24:22 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 01:24:22 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 01:24:22 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sat Apr 20 01:24:47 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 01:24:47 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 01:24:48 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

Attempt 2:

[Sat Apr 20 01:25:13 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 01:25:13 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 01:25:13 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 01:25:13 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 01:25:13 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sat Apr 20 01:25:37 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 01:25:37 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>


Saturday, April 20, 2013:

Attempt 1:

[Sat Apr 20 22:56:53 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sat Apr 20 22:58:08 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 22:58:08 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 22:58:09 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sat Apr 20 22:58:33 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 22:58:33 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 22:58:34 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 22:58:34 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 22:58:34 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sat Apr 20 22:58:58 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 22:58:58 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 22:58:58 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 22:58:58 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 22:58:58 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>


Attempt 2:

[Sat Apr 20 23:16:29 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sat Apr 20 23:18:49 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 23:18:49 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 23:18:49 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 23:18:50 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 23:18:50 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sat Apr 20 23:19:14 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 23:19:14 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 23:19:14 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 23:19:14 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 23:19:14 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 23:19:14 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 23:19:15 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>


Attempt 3:

[Sat Apr 20 23:39:20 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sat Apr 20 23:43:10 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 23:43:10 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 23:43:10 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sat Apr 20 23:43:35 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 23:43:35 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sat Apr 20 23:43:35 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>


Attempt 4:

[Sun Apr 21 00:08:22 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sun Apr 21 00:10:47 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sun Apr 21 00:10:48 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sun Apr 21 00:10:48 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sun Apr 21 00:11:12 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sun Apr 21 00:11:12 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sun Apr 21 00:11:12 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sun Apr 21 00:11:12 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sun Apr 21 00:11:12 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

Attempt 5:

[Sun Apr 21 01:22:41 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sun Apr 21 01:23:06 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sun Apr 21 01:25:02 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sun Apr 21 01:25:02 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sun Apr 21 01:25:02 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Sun Apr 21 01:25:27 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sun Apr 21 01:25:27 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>
[Sun Apr 21 01:25:27 2013] Velishan, The Deceitful begins to cast a spell. <Frost Shock>

[Furro]

 
Update

Dev Ellyra replied to this raid issue:

Velishan chooses how many times to cast Frost Shock based on how many times she's been in cold form. Unfortunately, there was an error in the spell data, giving it an impact radius of 0. When changing that, the spell was accidentally switched from a targeted-area spell, to an PBAoE spell.

Thanks for the head's up. Fixed the spell data so that with the next patch. Velishan should be back to choosing a target to hit with Frost Shock (and those nearby that target), rather than blasting the entire raid multiple times.

 

[Furro]

 
Update to the Update...

Just to avoid confusion, as many of you know who were with us last week, the latest patch did NOT fix the Frost Shock issue yet. 

We'll continue with our workaround strategy which is to avoid ICE forms.

Edit:  To be clear here - NO ICE/COLD Spells ever.  That means when your ICE Vulnerable trigger fires, you DO NOT USE ICE.

We'll reiterate as usual in /rs to remind.