CoTF - Argin-Hiz - Burn Out

[Huevos]

Also, I tried to count the imps.  There are supposed to be 18 including the 4 in the middle, leaving 14.
I wasn't able to get an accurate count, but i'm pretty sure there were more than 14.  18 maybe?

I had 20 on tracking.

[Zaknaffein]

The strategist in me is curious to see if the mass kite and kill method would work, but if it does not then here is a tactical suggestion for the imp stage.

• Before the start of the Second stage, move the last mob in stage 1 to the raid spot.
• Invis and stay at the raid spot when last mob in stage 1 dies, this will ensure you won't die when imps spawn but isn't necessary
• Councilor Murant shouts 'I call to you, Solusek Ro! Send us your assistance! Help us repel these invaders!' - Make a trigger for this to say IMPS SPAWNING!

Make 3 groups, 2 CC groups and 1 Tank/Positioning group:

CC groupx2:
Enchanter
Ranger
Ranger
Bard
Druid
Shadowknight

Tank/Postioning Group:
Warrior
Warrior
Warrior
Bard
Cleric
Cleric

When the imps spawn:

Warriors make the following hotkey "AE IMP AGRO": - This hotkey will Agro everything from anywhere with out needing to do anything at all except hit this key. Fortitude last 24 seconds with BP mod(+0-6 seconds depending on the server tick)
Line 1: /Pause 2, /disc fortitude
Line 2: /alt activate 688 - Rage of the Forsaken
Line 3: /alt activate 132 - Enahnced Area Effect Taunt
Line 4: /disc Wade in to Battle rk. III - Wade into battle
Line 5: -empty-

• Warrior1 hits thier "AE IMP AGRO" hot-key THE SECOND Imps spawn(Trigger will yell at you when this happens if you made one) and move to CC 1 Location.
• When Warrior1 is at "CC1" Location, CC team 1 Enchanter will cast thier AE mez. NO ae snares, NO ae root yet ONLY ae mez from the Enchanter.
• When "CC1" location imps are mezzed, Chanter will communicate such (or the warrior can creep backwards slowly until they notice a pile of imps not moving.) Warrior1 will then move the rest of the pile to "CC2" Location.
• Warrior2 will then hit thier 'AE IMP AGRO" hotkey when imp pile is at "CC2" Location. When Warrior2 has Agro, Warrior1 will fade. CC team 2 Enchanter will then AE mez the Pile. NO ae snares, NO ae root yet ONLY ae mez from the Enchanter.
• When the main imp pile is at "CC2" Location, CC team 1 rangers will ae snare thier mezzed mobs, SK will AE agro thier Pile, Bard will use Lure of the sirens song on thier pile to gather them all in tight in the corner. (If Lure of siren song range is too large and pulls mobs from the main imp pile, or from CC1 location, scrap this tactic)
• When "CC2" Location imps are mezzed, Chanter will communicate such (or the warrior can creep backwards slowly until they notice a pile of imps not moving.) Warrior2 will then move the rest of the pile to "Tank" Location.
• At this point there should only be 2 imps left un-mezzed from the original pile at the Tank Location. Warrior3 will take agro on these (DO NOT use any ae agro abilities like Rage of forsaken or wade into battle or ae taunt/stormwheel,  just use single target hate discs like undivided or warlords grasp or ageless enmity to pull off of Warrior2) and DRY TANK with Defensive and Flash. Warrior2 will fade after warrior3 has agro. Raid Assists and starts to kill.
• When remaining two imps are at "Tank" Location, CC team 2 rangers will ae snare thier mezzed mobs, SK will AE agro thier Pile, Bard will use Lure of the sirens song on thier pile to gather them all in tight in the corner. (If Lure of siren song range is too large and pulls mobs from the main imp pile, or from CC2 location, scrap this tactic)
• When the First imp dies, 2 mezzed imps will break free. CC teams 1 and 2 SK's will HA any mez/root breaks back to thier pile. Use deflection if needed until mezzers can re-mez(Assuming imps that break mez from imp deaths can be re-mezzed)
• Raid Kills the second imp at Tank location.
• As the first 4 imps are killed, Bards will use Dirge of the sleepwalker(AA mez) on the 4x Inactive imps that go active as the first 4 imps are killed.
• Warrior3 will then find the 4x Innactive imps that went active and raid will assist them and kill ( bards can send the warrior a tell to assist them on thier mob to make it easier to find)
  After those 4 are dead, Pull from a mezzed pile and raid kills 1 at a time.

• Warrio1 and Warrior2, Use flash when fortitude drops if extra time is needed, just keep the imp pile in front of you when you do this. Have Warrior2 hit his"AE IMP AGRO" key BEFORE Warrior1 Fortitude/Flash time is up.
• Make a Backup CC team if needed/enough of the right classes to help Bards with the mez break/Innactive imps going active
• Treat this stage as a raid unto itself. No need to save warriors fortitude for later stages.
• Warriors are better equiped to do the ae agro/moving imp pile than SK. Fortitude is avoid any dmg from ANY direction, and the recent AA/Discs we recieved are absolutley insane AE agro.
• Warriors warlords grasp AA can move the imps from the mez piles and agro lock on them w/out mez break from a distance.
• If two Warriors are not enough to get from CC1 Location to Tank location, use a third Warrior to use the AE imp agro key.
• Warriors who used fortitude, put them at the end of tank rotations in Stage 4. Fort refresh is 22min
• SK's use the smallest range AE hate abilities to cut down on cross agroing other imp piles
• If inactive imps can be targeted with the /target command then bards assigned make following targets: a_tiny_avatar_of_ro15 through 19 to mez.
• If more than 14 imps on initial spawn, make tank location into CC3 location. make another CC group for that location. Make the raid location the tank location as well and have warrior3 use the ae imp agro key at CC3 location and drag the remaining imps to tank/raid location to kill.
• Make adjustments as needed.

Warriors may find some of the GTT triggers I put on the thread I made Here useful.

[Furro]

In this game there are many forms of crowd control.  Mezzing is the most obvious but not the only one.
Other forms of CC include rooting, off tanking and kiting.  I agree we should definitely give kiting a shot.
I'm a little concerned that the kiter might run into a beam of death. 

The way I have it worked out, the kiters will be paired up with one or two others.  For example, you can't snare, so I'd pair you with say a Ranger, who can snare and provide DPS to work down the imp as you kite it.  If you die, aggro will naturally go to the Ranger who can resume kiting and still dps.

Phase 2 Idea
Gather raid out of LOS of imps.
Send in someone DA to round them up, they then run out a designated gateway to a mark (campfire?) and against the wall, making sure all the imps pile onto the mark. Bards can deftdance for extra time / sk deflection.
Druids / Rangers vinelash the mass. Cycle through and ensnare, paralytic spray as needed or other punt roots.
Drop tash / malo totems, ae debuffs ect.
Since imps dont summon you can either work down one at a time or allow aes to be used, but be careful about breaking multiple roots at once.

Mugsie

Gathering raid out of LoS won't work, because there will always be one player who isn't out of los when the stage starts (even if los did work, which I'm skeptical it does).  DA round up won't work either due to someone not being out of los will always get aggro.

Rooting mobs with a kite situation adds more obstacles to avoid.  Kiter running by a rooted mob by mistake gets hit/killed.  Players avoiding beams and accidentally getting too close to a rooted mob gets hit/killed.  Players getting rezzed next to a rooted mob gets hit/killed.

Our strategy is basically simultaneous kite-killing.  Whereby, we have 2-3 players assigned per imp (for fail safe, support and dps).  Their goal is to kill their imp and avoid beams.  The imps only have around 5 million HP, and with 2-3 players, it should only take 1 minute roughly to kill their imp.  Once their imp is dead, they'll be free to help others.

Also, I tried to count the imps.  There are supposed to be 18 including the 4 in the middle, leaving 14.
I wasn't able to get an accurate count, but i'm pretty sure there were more than 14.  18 maybe?

I had 20 on tracking.

We'll set up for 18, and an extra can be given to two teams in case of 20.

The strategist in me is curious to see if the mass kite and kill method would work, but if it does not then here is a tactical suggestion for the imp stage.

• Before the start of the Second stage, move the last mob in stage 1 to the raid spot.
• Invis and stay at the raid spot when last mob in stage 1 dies, this will ensure you won't die when imps spawn but isn't necessary
• Councilor Murant shouts 'I call to you, Solusek Ro! Send us your assistance! Help us repel these invaders!' - Make a trigger for this to say IMPS SPAWNING!

Make 3 groups, 2 CC groups and 1 Tank/Positioning group:

CC groupx2:
Enchanter
Ranger
Ranger
Bard
Druid
Shadowknight

Tank/Postioning Group:
Warrior
Warrior
Warrior
Bard
Cleric
Cleric

When the imps spawn:

Warriors make the following hotkey "AE IMP AGRO": - This hotkey will Agro everything from anywhere with out needing to do anything at all except hit this key. Fortitude last 24 seconds with BP mod(+0-6 seconds depending on the server tick)
Line 1: /Pause 2, /disc fortitude
Line 2: /alt activate 688 - Rage of the Forsaken
Line 3: /alt activate 132 - Enahnced Area Effect Taunt
Line 4: /disc Wade in to Battle rk. III - Wade into battle
Line 5: -empty-

• Warrior1 hits thier "AE IMP AGRO" hot-key THE SECOND Imps spawn(Trigger will yell at you when this happens if you made one) and move to CC 1 Location.
• When Warrior1 is at "CC1" Location, CC team 1 Enchanter will cast thier AE mez. NO ae snares, NO ae root yet ONLY ae mez from the Enchanter.
• When "CC1" location imps are mezzed, Chanter will communicate such (or the warrior can creep backwards slowly until they notice a pile of imps not moving.) Warrior1 will then move the rest of the pile to "CC2" Location.
• Warrior2 will then hit thier 'AE IMP AGRO" hotkey when imp pile is at "CC2" Location. When Warrior2 has Agro, Warrior1 will fade. CC team 2 Enchanter will then AE mez the Pile. NO ae snares, NO ae root yet ONLY ae mez from the Enchanter.
• When the main imp pile is at "CC2" Location, CC team 1 rangers will ae snare thier mezzed mobs, SK will AE agro thier Pile, Bard will use Lure of the sirens song on thier pile to gather them all in tight in the corner. (If Lure of siren song range is too large and pulls mobs from the main imp pile, or from CC1 location, scrap this tactic)
• When "CC2" Location imps are mezzed, Chanter will communicate such (or the warrior can creep backwards slowly until they notice a pile of imps not moving.) Warrior2 will then move the rest of the pile to "Tank" Location.
• At this point there should only be 2 imps left un-mezzed from the original pile at the Tank Location. Warrior3 will take agro on these (DO NOT use any ae agro abilities like Rage of forsaken or wade into battle or ae taunt/stormwheel,  just use single target hate discs like undivided or warlords grasp or ageless enmity to pull off of Warrior2) and DRY TANK with Defensive and Flash. Warrior2 will fade after warrior3 has agro. Raid Assists and starts to kill.
• When remaining two imps are at "Tank" Location, CC team 2 rangers will ae snare thier mezzed mobs, SK will AE agro thier Pile, Bard will use Lure of the sirens song on thier pile to gather them all in tight in the corner. (If Lure of siren song range is too large and pulls mobs from the main imp pile, or from CC2 location, scrap this tactic)
• When the First imp dies, 2 mezzed imps will break free. CC teams 1 and 2 SK's will HA any mez/root breaks back to thier pile. Use deflection if needed until mezzers can re-mez(Assuming imps that break mez from imp deaths can be re-mezzed)
• Raid Kills the second imp at Tank location.
• As the first 4 imps are killed, Bards will use Dirge of the sleepwalker(AA mez) on the 4x Inactive imps that go active as the first 4 imps are killed.
• Warrior3 will then find the 4x Innactive imps that went active and raid will assist them and kill ( bards can send the warrior a tell to assist them on thier mob to make it easier to find)
  After those 4 are dead, Pull from a mezzed pile and raid kills 1 at a time.

• Warrio1 and Warrior2, Use flash when fortitude drops if extra time is needed, just keep the imp pile in front of you when you do this. Have Warrior2 hit his"AE IMP AGRO" key BEFORE Warrior1 Fortitude/Flash time is up.
• Make a Backup CC team if needed/enough of the right classes to help Bards with the mez break/Innactive imps going active
• Treat this stage as a raid unto itself. No need to save warriors fortitude for later stages.
• Warriors are better equiped to do the ae agro/moving imp pile than SK. Fortitude is avoid any dmg from ANY direction, and the recent AA/Discs we recieved are absolutley insane AE agro.
• Warriors warlords grasp AA can move the imps from the mez piles and agro lock on them w/out mez break from a distance.
• If two Warriors are not enough to get from CC1 Location to Tank location, use a third Warrior to use the AE imp agro key.
• Warriors who used fortitude, put them at the end of tank rotations in Stage 4. Fort refresh is 22min
• SK's use the smallest range AE hate abilities to cut down on cross agroing other imp piles
• If inactive imps can be targeted with the /target command then bards assigned make following targets: a_tiny_avatar_of_ro15 through 19 to mez.
• If more than 14 imps on initial spawn, make tank location into CC3 location. make another CC group for that location. Make the raid location the tank location as well and have warrior3 use the ae imp agro key at CC3 location and drag the remaining imps to tank/raid location to kill.
• Make adjustments as needed.

Warriors may find some of the GTT triggers I put on the thread I made Here useful.

Too complicated.

• We want your Fortitude disc available for Stage 3 and 4. Sometimes we only have 3-4 Warriors.  Stage 2 should take us 5 minutes or less.
• If any single Warrior dies in your above tactic it'll breakdown at that point.
• Any Enchanter that dies, we'll lose their CC'd imps shortly thereafter.  Especially when they're rezzed back with no mana.
• Anything that hinges on an Enchanter will not work when we have none in the raid (regardless of bard mez).
• Killing imps breaks mez on one or more imps.  Therefore, even with rooted imps in a CC pile, if root fails or mez, it'll breakdown (we've had this happen actually multiple times).

As mentioned earlier, we're looking to do simultaneous kite-killing because it has the greatest success rate and doesn't hinge on any single player doing something for success.  For example, if someone misses their /tar assign, we have two others in their team with the same assign.  If a kiter dies, they have two others for backup.  If all three kiters on the same imp miss a /tar, we can /tar imps to figure out who missed their target and address it.  The moment a team has their imp, they can immediately begin kite-killing it.

Let's say it's 18 imps.  That's teams of three.  3 x 18 = 54 raiders.  Worst case we have 20 imps, resulting in two extra unassigned.  We'll know in short order just by doing a /tar ..18/19 whether it's truely 20 active or not (middle beam imps have different names).  Putting that aside, it's not rocket science for one team to kite two imps vs single.  Soandso, Soandso, Soandso, you guys have 2 imps.. first clown /tar 18, 2nd get 19.  /tell whatshisface, when you guys have your imp dead, assist Soandso, they have two imps to deal with.


PS.  The one appealing factor with Fort + AE Aggro is gathing the imps at engage for 18-24s, allowing teams to /tar their imp and get it snared without immediate aggro.  Then the Warrior could fade and lose all aggro, the snared mobs would go for their kiter which is distanced.  It comes with risk of course, but we wouldn't sacrifice multiple Warriors and our success wouldn't hinge entirely on the Warrior timing Fort + AE aggro flawlessly.  For example, if the Warrior fails, it's not like the /tar/kite/snares are not happening still.

We can live with having one Warrior without Fortitude for the final stage, given a 3-4 Warrior raid set up.

By the way, thanks for replying everyone.  Always appreciate suggestions/feedback for events.

[Ramelorm]

some info

In between stage 1 and stage 2.... the imps dont see thru invis. Invis the raid and chanters can set up to mez.


DO NOT corner or wall tank Arieal. The phoenixs can pop inside the wall and will bug the mission and raid if you cant agro them to kill them

They are stunnable and despawn after 90 seconds. So steady dps on Efreeti and have chanters stun lock them until they poof

[Furro]

some info

In between stage 1 and stage 2.... the imps dont see thru invis. Invis the raid and chanters can set up to mez.


DO NOT corner or wall tank Arieal. The phoenixs can pop inside the wall and will bug the mission and raid if you cant agro them to kill them

They are stunnable and despawn after 90 seconds. So steady dps on Efreeti and have chanters stun lock them until they poof

You're a funny guy Sert.  I take it you didn't read anything in this thread before posting.

[Furro]

You are missing a critical aura trigger.  "The rolling blaze painfully burns your skin."  This is the large aura that spawns during the 3rd stage.  If you get this -- RUN!

Thanks Maglor, been busy with a slew of other adjusts and updates etc.  Added this trigger for stage 3.


Stage 3 - Caught in Aura Trigger

When in the Aura you'll die in two hits.  This will warn you each time you take damage from being in the aura.  Move out of the aura when the trigger fires.

GTT File: cotf-argin-hiz-auras-stage-3.gtt * Added 07/24/2014

Pattern: The rolling blaze painfully burns your skin

[Rulolin]

For the fire imps I would suggest that we start with everyone invised, and two rangers in opposite corners who hit weponshield, then vine lash mobs into corner.

Rulolin

[Maglor]

Well, the kite and kill method took, I estimate, 10 minutes, maybe 15, but it worked nicely.

[Maglor]

Stage 3 Swords.

Stage 3 reminds me a lot of the last stage of Queen Sendaii, when we have to burn the queen while keeping rejuvinating and respawning mobs from doing any damage.  The tactic used was to have multiple chanters chain ae stun near the queen, stunning all of the adds.  Yes, I remember when Freelance did it.  I gave Freelance the secret to Sendaii back then when I was raiding with my chanter for a different team.  I think a similar approach would work here.

Advise having chanters do either an AE or targeted AE stun centered around the Djinn.  A stun cycle, similar to a heal cycle, should work.  The stuns used need to be able to stun yellows and, last I knew, chanters were able to do that (they were able to with Sendaii, I remember that).  If swords are stunned into docility, everyone needs to burn the Djinn.  Once it is dead, kill the swords (if they do not despawn) and then deal with the last mobs.

If you do not have enough chanters, or any chanters, then have what stunners you can on the blues and the white swords.  I am convinced that stunning is the secret to this portion of the event.

[Mildaria]

AE stun works for at least the first few sets of sword adds, but the ones at the end are all stun immune. In the group mission I tried charm/mez and they were immune to these also.

[Furro]

 
Good attempts last night.  We've smoothed out our issues with Stage 2 imps.  Although Kite-Killing worked, our CC-Rooting tactic seemed more controllable and less logistical to setup/maintain.  We're going to stick with this root approach going forward.

Overall, we did reach Stage 4 again, however our handling of Stage 3 put us in rough shape.  We've made adjustments to Stage 3 for our next attempt.  Outlined below is our strategy including all stages:

Our Strategy

Stage 1: SIX Keepers of the flames activate.

Mezzable.  Assist MA as we work one at a time.

Keeper MTs - If your mob isn't being killed and is NOT mezzed, please ask for mez in FLRaids channel.  Dry tank until time to kill.

CC: Enchanters & Bards

• Please work out WHO is mezzing which keeper in advance so they can be locked down quickly without overlaps and misses.
• Enchanters - Reminder: Confounding Constriction debuff is a DoT.  Please don't use it on mezzed mobs.
• Inform FLRaids channel who is prematurely breaking mez so it can be addressed.

Stage 2: Avatars of Ro (Imps) & Beam AEs

Once the last keeper dies from Stage 1 -- EVERYONE INVIS -- Move to campfire -- 20 Imps fly down from above.

Assigned Warrior ( Soandso ) - Fortitude + AE Aggro and pull the imps to the CC corner (North offset, will show you if you're not sure).  Once there, Rangers/Druids will root as described below.  Before your Fortitude drops, FADE and move away from the rooted mobs to avoid death.

CC: Rangers & Druids

• Use Vinelash, Wall of Wind and Savage Roots to hold imps in corner.
• Watch position to avoid walling them the wrong way please.

Imp Tanks - Alternate assisting from MA to HA each imp from the CC pile for killing.  This allows for visible target ring to appear and is less confusing for rooters.

ALL MELEE - Damage Shield on imps will KILL YOU.  Bandolier to NO PRIMARY with OFFHAND WEAPON ONLY to avoid the DS.  DO NOT USE KICKS or BASH they return DS hits as well and you will die.


Stage 3: Efreeti Lord Aresh, Sword Adds & Auras

Raid position at our Campfire marker.

Sword adds spawn in pairs and are both Percent based and Timed.  They de-spawn in pairs shortly after.

Off-Tank Sword adds at raid until they de-spawn.  Enchanters and Paladins, some swords are Stunnable (but not all).

DO NOT DISC/BURN BOSS!  We want to avoid being overrun with Sword adds.

Tank boss at our campfire marker.


Stage 4: Arieal & Jahar Balance and Phoenix Adds

Our positioning is inner quad area with specifics for Main Tanks on respective minibosses and phoenix adds.

THREE Phoenix adds spawn at 9% intervals.  Kill all within 65 seconds or they AE, RESPAWN and WIPE US.

Phoenix Adds Tanks: They spawn from Ariel.  Pull them slightly away, but keep them centralized to allow melee DPS to optimize target transitions (less moving, compliments AE dps/discs).

Assigned groups only will be balance DPS for Arieal & Jahar.

Tank Arieal at WEST inner quad corner where Councilor Murant NPC is located.

Tank Jahar at SOUTH inner quad corner where Councilor Tarae NPC is located.




Trigger Addition: Stage 3 - Imps Spawning & Invisibility Reminder

Everyone being invisible as we start this stage will help our point tank who gathers up the imps.  It'll also save you from getting early imp aggro and being killed.

When the trigger fires, cast invisibility and move to our campfire.

GTT File: cotf-argin-hiz-stage-3-invis-now.gtt * Added 07/25/2014

Pattern: I call to you, Solusek Ro! Send us your assistance! Help us repel these invaders
Action: Cast Invisibility now and move to campfire.

[Furro]

 
07/25/2014:

Fearless Freelancers Burned through the night!  Burnout raid DEFEATED with 43 raiders!

Outstanding work everyone!  Thanks to all who were able to stay a bit overtime as well to muscle out the win!

[Xantra]

Regarding the Imps DS from Stage 2.
On our first attempt I encountered 3 of the 20 that had a damage shield effect.
On the the second attempt only 1 of them had an active DS that damaged me.

(Yes, they all did have the Mischievous flameshield Buff up)

[Zaknaffein]

Posting up a link here to download a full set of GINA triggers for this raid in Preparation for the upcoming mandatory switch to GINA for our Audio and text triggers for raids. - These are not official triggers.
* May add in a trigger for the DS on the imps if you get hit by it

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